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WWW Aeromodelling GR

Aeromodelling GR - IBabylon ThemeClassic YaBB SE ThemDelta TPNetBiz TPOmega TPSMF Default Theme

�çí áíï�ãåôå åäþ è�ìáôá ðïõ äåí �÷ïõí �áìì�á ó÷�óç ìå áåñïìïíôåëéóìü. Ôï ðéèáíüôåñï å�íáé ïôé èá äéáãñáöïýí ãéáô� å�íáé å�ôüò áíôé�åéì�íïõ ôïõ Aeromodelling GR.

[contravago]

Ôïôå öôéáîå áõôç ðïõ ëåò.
�ðëá ðñåðåé íá õðïëïãéóåéò ôé 1/4 ôïõ ìç�ïõò �õìáôïò ë
ðïõ ãéá ôçí óõ÷íïôçôá 1280Γ�Γ‡z ðïõ åéíáé ôï Γ�áíáëé 9 ôïõ ðïìðïõ Γ³Γ―Γµ åéíáé 58.6mm  http://www.csgnetwork.com/freqwavelengthcalc.html
�ðïôå �ïâåéò ôï �áëùäéï óôá 60mm ãäõíåéò ôçí åîùôåñé�ç ãåéùóç ïóï ÷áìçëá ìðïñåéò �áé ìåôñáò 58.6mm áðï ôï óçìåéï ðïõ ôï åóùôåñé�ï �áëùäéï âãáéíåé áðï ôçí åîùôåñé�ç ãåéùóç. �ïíï áõôï åéíá åíåñãï.
Ôùñá áí óôç ãåéùóç �ïëçóåéò åíá ÷áë�éíï óõñìá ðåñéðïõ éäéáò äéáôïìçò óôç ãåéùóçò óå áíôéèåôç äéåèõíóç áðï ôï åóùôåñé�ï óïõ �áëùäéï èá å÷åéò öôéáîåé åíá äéðïëï óáí áõôï ðïõ óïõ åäåéîá óôï ëéí�.
�åñù, îåñù ìéá åé�ïíá ÷éëéåò ëåîåéò
Ôåï

[sondo]

�á ôï äï�éì�óù �áé èá óïõ ðù!!!

Åõ÷áñéóôþ üðùò �áé íá �÷åé ðáíôùò!!!

[contravago]

Å÷ù ôïí éäéï ðïìðï áëëá åãù ÷ñçóéìïðïéù ôï äéðïëï � ôï cloverleaf ðïõ óïõ åäåé÷íá óôá ëéí�.
�ðïôå áí åéóáé �èçíá �áé èåò ìðïñù íá áðï÷ùñéóôù ôçí ðáëéá ìïõ �åñáéá
Óôåéëå ð.ì.
�åïäùñïò

[wizard]

�áëçóð�ñá óå üëïõò
�á �èåëá ôçí ãíþìç óáò ó÷åôé�� ìå �íá tracker ðïõ è�ëù íá áãïñ�óù.
ΒΈΓ·ΓΉ Γ¥Γ�äç  Fy-21 autopilot/stabilizer  & Fy-117 Osd Γ�áé Γ³Γ�Γ�ðôïìáé  Γ­Γ΅ Γ°Γ�Γ±ΓΉ áõôü
 http://www.myflydream.com/ViewDetails68.aspx. Γ®Γ�Γ±ΓΉ äåí Γ¥Γ�íáé digital áëëΓ� üðùò óáò Γ¥Γ�ðá Γ�Γ·ΓΉ Γ¥Γ�äç ôá õðüëïéðá. 

Óáò åõ÷áñéóôþ å� ôùí ðñïô�ñùí

[MoRaLeSD]

�áëçóðåñá óå ïëïõò. �åôá áðï �áéñï áðïöáóéóá íá îå�éíçóù íá ðåôáù ìå ôïí FPV ôñïðï. Å÷ù ñéîåé áñ�åôï øáîéìï óå ïôé áöïñá �ïìðïõò äå�ôåò �ôë.
�áé å÷ù ó÷åäïí îåøá÷íéóåé ôï rcgroups.com �áé å÷ù ìéëçóåé ìå ðáñá ðïëëïõò ôïõ åéäïõò áëëá äõóôç÷ùò ï÷é Åëëçíåò. To setup ðïõ å÷ù âãáëåé ãéá íá îå�éíçóù
åéíáé áõôï:

Video TX:
800mw 5,8 Ghz Video TX 32 Channels - Fatshark comp
http://fpvsystems.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=79

Video RX:
R5800 5.8 GHz Pocket Size High Sensitivity Receiver
http://www.hobbywireless.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=407

CAMERA:
690TVL HD Ultra WDR
http://www.securitycamera2000.com/products/690TVL-HD-Ultra-WDR-Pixim-SEAWOLF-Sensor-chip-OSD-Camera-3.6mm-lens.html

OSD:
DRAGON OSD GPS NAVIGATION SYSTEM COMBO
http://www.hobbywireless.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=529

ANTENNAS:
Cloverleaf Circular Polarized Antenna (5.8 gHz) For the Video TX
http://videoaerialsystems.com/products/transmitter-antennas/cloverleaf-circular-polarized-antenna

Skew-planar wheel (5.8 gHz) For the Video RX
http://videoaerialsystems.com/products/transmitter-antennas/skew-planar-wheel

TRIPOD:
Tripod for FPV Ground Station 53-Inches
http://www.hobbywireless.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=419

VIDEO GOGGLES:
HeadPlay 800 x 600 FPV goggles
http://www.rangevideo.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=13&products_id=218

Pan Tilt Mount for EZ*
http://www.readymaderc.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19_7&products_id=11

HEADTRACKER:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idproduct=10994"]HobbyKing X-1000 Advanced Head-Movement-Tracker Gyro

AIRPLANE:
http://www.rcmodelshop.gr/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=672

VIDEO RECORDER:
FoxTech Mini DVR Recorder
http://www.foxtechfpv.com/mini-d1-quality-sd-card-video-recorder-onboard-or-for-ground-s-p-221.html

VIDEO SPLITTER/AMPLIFIER:
Video Amplifier/Buffer with 4 adjustable video outputs
http://www.hobbywireless.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=135

Óôçí áñ÷ç åé÷á äéáëåîåé 1.3GHz óõ÷íïôçôá ðïìðïõ ìå Patch Antenna Γ�áé Diversity Controller (2 äåΓ�ôåò)  ìå Antenna Tracker óôï GroundStation ãéá ôçí Γ�áëõôåñç ëçøç.
Ç ôçëå�áôåõèõíóç ðïõ å÷ù åéíáé ç Futaba 7C 2.4GHz óôçí ïðïéá áñãïôåñá èá �áíù ìåôáôñïðç �áé èá ôçò âáëù ôï Module DragonLink ìå ôï ïðïéï èá å÷åé åìâåëåéá 25Km áëëá ï÷é
ïôé èá ôï ðáù �áé ôïóï, áðëá ãéá íá å÷ù 100% åëåã÷ï áðï èåìá ôçëå�áôåõèõíóçò. �õôï ðïõ èá çèåëá íá ìáèù ìå âáóåé ôçí åìðåéñéá óáò åäù óôçí Åëëáäá, åéíáé áí ðñåðåé
ïíôùò íá ðáñù Video TX óôá 5.8GHz ç áí åéíáé ìéá ÷áñá óôï íá ðåôáù ìå 1.3GHz. Ãéá ôï èåìá �åñáéáò óôá 5.8GHz èá ÷ñçóéìïðïéçóù Cloverleaf Circular Polarized Antenna ãéá ôïí ðïìðï
�áé Skew-planar wheel ãéá ôïí äå�ôç. �ð ïôé ìïõ å÷ïõí ðåé ìå áõôåò ôéò �åñáéåò èá å÷ù ó÷åäïí ôåëåéá �áëõøç �áé ç åìâåëåéá èá åéíáé ðåñéðïõ 2 ìéëéá (ôùñá óôá 2 ìéëéá �áôá ðïóï �áëç
èá åéíáé ç �áëõøç äåí îåñù). Åðéóçò óôá 5.8GHz áí èåëçóù íá ðåôáîù ðéï åîù áðï ôçí ðñïáíáöåñïõóá áðïóôáóç èá ðñåðåé íá ÷ñçóéìïðïéçóù Diversity Controler, ïðïõ �áé èá
ðñåðåé íá ðñïóèåóù óôïí 2ï äå�ôç ìéá �åñáéá ãéá ôá 5.8GHz ç ïðïéá åéíáé ç 10 turn helix ç ïðïéá åéíáé 12.5dbic. �å áõôç ðéóôåõù ïôé èá å÷ù ôçí ôåëåéá �áëõøç �áé áí ðñïóèåóù
�áé Antenna Tracker ïõôå �áé îåñù ðïóï ìá�ñéá èá ìðïñåé íá öôáóåé ôï ìïíôåëï ÷á÷á÷á÷á. Åëðéæù íá ìçí çôáí ðïëõ �ïõñáóôé�ï ôï post ìïõ �áé íá âãáëù åðéôåëïõò á�ñç ìå ôéò
óõ÷íïôçôåò.

Äçìçôñçò.

[contravago]

Åãù ðåôáù óôá 1280MHz �áé äåí å÷ù �áíåíá ðñïâëçìá.
Å÷ù ðáåé åùò ôá 1.8×ëì ìå 2.4GHz RC Tx óôá 1280MHz VTx �áé �åñáéá Cloverleaf óå ðïìðï �áé äå�ôç åé�ïíáò ÷ùñéò �áíåíá ðñïâëçìá.
Äåí ðñïóðáèçóá ðéï ìá�ñéá ãéáôé öïâçèç�á ôçí ôçëå�áôåõèõíóç.
Åáí ðåôáîåéò  Γ¬Γ¥ CL Γ�åñáéåò äåí èá îáíáãõñéóåéò óôéò Linear Γ¥Γ�ôïò Γ�áé åáí ðåôáò Γ�áèçìåñéíá ìáΓ�ñõôåñá áðï 10×ëì.

Âåâáéá ãéá áðïóôáóåéò å÷ù åíá glider ìå 2.4GHz âéíôåï ìå Inverted Vee �áé 8dB patch óå ðïìðï �áé äå�ôç áíôéóôïé÷á �áé DragonLink ôçëå�áôåõèõíóç �áé å÷ù ðáåé ìå÷ñé 5×ëì �áèùò äåí åé÷á áëëï æïõìé óôçí ìðáôáñéá.
Ôùñá åôïéìáæù ôïí Öïéíé�á ôïõ Deltaman ãéá á�ïìá ìá�ñõôåñá.

[MoRaLeSD]

Ö�ëå ìïõ ìðïñþ íá óïõ ��íù åíá ðì?�á ð�ù óð�ôé óå ë�ãï óå õðïëïãéóô� �áé èá ìðïñ�óù íá ìéë�óù �íåôá!

[contravago]

Äçìçôñç ìïëéò åéäá ôï ìíì óïõ.
�á ôï äéáâáóù �áé èá óïõ áðáíôçóù óå ð.ì

[contravago]

Ôï ðçñåò;

[tanfoglio]

��÷íùíôáò ��ôé �ëëï âñ��á áõôü! (��íôá �ôóé äåí ã�íåôáé???)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-xVy2E1sT4&feature=player_embedded
�å åíôõðùó�áóå....

Ãéþñãïò

["PAPPY"]

Ôé ëåò ôþñá???

[jamesmagos]

��÷íùíôáò ��ôé �ëëï âñ��á áõôü! (��íôá �ôóé äåí ã�íåôáé???)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-xVy2E1sT4&feature=player_embedded
�å åíôõðùó�áóå....

Ãéþñãïò

�ñ�åô� ðáëéï.. (äåò ôï èåìá: Ãéá ôïõò ë�ôñåéò ôïõ FPV),
Åð�óçò õðåñâïëé�� õðåñå�ôéìçì�íï (10000!!) áí ó�åöôåé �áíå�ò ïôé ç ðô�ñõãá äåí å�íáé ôðô ðáñáð�íù áðï ìéá maxi ôïõ 50áñé�ïõ, ç ��ìåñá ìéá íé�ïí ãéá �ëåã÷ï ìåóï usb ôùí 90å(áñá ìüíï ïñáôü öáóìá-�áìéá ÷ñ�óç óôç Ãåùñã�á üðùò õðïóôçñ�æåé) �áé ï ðéëïôïò ìå ôï ground station open sourse ðñùôçò ãåíéáò ìå �üóôïò âéá ôï 500áñé�ï... �ìïëïãïõì�íïò å÷åé üìùò ôï �áë�ôåñï �áé ðéï ìïõñé�ï ðá�åô�ñéóìá. �ïëë�ò Åëëçíé��ò ðôåñõãåò óå óõíäéáóìü ìå ôçí áñóç ��ðïéùí äõóôñïðùí íüìùí èá ��áíáí ðáð�äåò óõã�ñéôé�� �áé ó�ãïõñá ìå ð�áááñáá ðïëý ìé�ñüôåñï �üóôïò.

[MoRaLeSD]

��÷íùíôáò ��ôé �ëëï âñ��á áõôü! (��íôá �ôóé äåí ã�íåôáé???)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-xVy2E1sT4&feature=player_embedded
�å åíôõðùó�áóå....

Ãéþñãïò

Ôåëåéï äåí ëåù, áëëá ìå áõôåò ôéò ìá***åò ðïõ âãáæïõí èá áðáãïñåõóïõí áðï ôïõò �áíïíé�ïõò áíèñùðïõò ðïõ äéáó�åäáæïõí
ôï ÷ïìðõ áõôï.

[jamesmagos]

�áëçì�ñá óå üëïõò,

Ãñ�öù åäþ ��ðïéïõò ðñïâëçìáôéóìïýò �áé éä�åò ðïõ ìðïñå� íá öáíïýí óå ��ðïéïõò ÷ñ�óéìá.
¼ëïé î�ñïõìå ïôé üôáí âáöô�æåôå hobby-åîïðëéóìüò ð.÷. fpv tx î�öíïõ áíåâ�éíåé �áé ç ôéì� ôïõ. �í áíáëïãéóôå� �áíå�ò ïôé ç áóõñìáôç ôå÷íïëïã�á ÷ñçóéìïðïé�ôå ð�ááñááá ðïëë� ÷ñüíéá óôá ä��ôõá ôïôå áðë� ôùô�ìå åíá ãéáô�?
ãéáôé å�íáé plug n play ÷áæå èá ìïõ ð��ôå ðïëý óùóô�, áëëá ñùôþ PnP äåí å�íáé �áé ôï óôé���é ôïõ pc? ãéáôé ôï �íá ��íåé 20å �áé ôï �ëëï 200 ð÷,

Γ�ðïñéá Γ�Γ―2: ãéáôé üëïé ôñå÷ïõìå Γ­Γ΅ Γ°Γ�ñïõìå super ntuper Γ�åñáéåò (patch, cloverleaf Γ�ëð Γ�ëð)? Γ§ ôçëåΓ�áôåõèΓ�íóåéò Γ�æïõí áðëΓ� ìéá pigytail Γ�áé ôá Γ�éíçôΓ� ïýôå Γ�áí ðïõ öáΓ�íåôå !! öõóéΓ�Γ� ãéáôé áëëΓ�æåé Γ― ôýðïò äåäïìΓ�Γ­ΓΉΓ­ ïðïõ ðéóôΓ�øôå ìå Γ¥Γ�íáé Γ�áé Γ§ ìïíáäéΓ�Γ� äéáöïñΓ� ðïõ Γ�÷åé åíá Skywalker ôùí 200Γ¥ ìå åíá Predator ôùí 4 Γ¥Γ�áô.  Äå æçôçóå Γ�áíåΓ�Γ² ìáò Γ­Γ΅ ìåôáöΓ�ñåé üìùò super HD åéΓ�ΓΌΓ­Γ΅ Γ�áé ñáíôáñ ìå 0 lag, 520lines Γ¥Γ�ìáóôå åõ÷áñéóôçìΓ�Γ­Γ―Γ©. Ñéîôå ìéá ìáôéΓ� óôéò ôçëåΓ�áôåõèΓ�íóåéò ìáò åíá ôïóï äá Γ�åñáéΓ�Γ�Γ© ìðïñåΓ� Γ­Γ΅ Γ³Γ΄Γ�ëíåé ìïíï ðáëìïýò äå ðáõåé üìùò ãéá 1-2 ÷éëéüìåôñá Γ­Γ΅ Γ�÷åé ìüíï Γ«Γ�ãá milisecond Γ�áèõóôåñçóç.

Åðé ôïõ ðñá�ô�ïõ : ïóïé �÷ïõí äéáâ�óåé ôï thread ìïõ, èá �÷ïõí äå� ôçí áí�ã�ç ó�üðåõóçò óå FPV style �áé ôçí ìåô�äùóç äåäïì�íùí üðùò ï �ëåã÷ïò �áé �áô�âáóìá óå ðñáãìáôé�ü ÷ñüíï. Ãéá ôï ëüãï áõôü óôñ�öç�á óôá ä��ôõá ôýðïõ zigbee, ôá ãíùóô� wifi
ôï ìïíô�ëï ðïõ ð�ñá åãþ ãéá ôçí ôçëåìåôñ�á, åëåã÷ï �áé ìåô�äùóç äåäïì�íùí å�íáé áõôü http://www.digi.com/products/wireless-wired-embedded-solutions/zigbee-rf-modules/point-multipoint-rfmodules/xbee-pro-900#overview
ôï ì�í â�óçò �÷åé ìéá áðë� �åñáéïýëá ôùí 3db �áé ôï äå áåñïðë�íïõ ìéá ðéï áðë� �áëùä�ïõ, ôá ìïíôåì��éá ã�íïíôáé bind ìå üíïìá �áé �ùäé�ü áðï software óôï pc ïðüôå äåí õð�ñ÷åé ðéèáíüôçôá ðáñåìâïë�ò óôïí á�ñá ðáñüëï ðïõ õð�ñ÷åé åíá æçôçìá íïìéìüôçôáò åöüóïí ôçí �äéá óõ÷íüôçôá �÷ïõí �áé ôá �éíçô�, ôá mw â�âáéá å�íáé åë�÷éóôá ãéá íá äçìéïõñã�óåé æ�ôçìá. Ôï áðïô�ëåóìá ãéá õøüìåôñï ðô�óçò 100ì å�íáé 10 ÷ëì áðñïâëçìáôéóôçò åðé�ïéíùí�áò �éáõôü ãéáô� ìåô� áðï å�å� �áé ð�ñá �ïõíôïõë�ìå óôçí �áìðõëüôçôá ôçò ã�ò åáí ðåô�ãáìå ðéï øçë� ôïôå ôá ðñ�ãìáôá áëë�æïõí.

��á äåõôåñç ðñüôáóç ðïõ ðéóôåõù èá åíäéáö�ñåé ôïõ FPVáäåò å�íáé ç åî�ò:
Γ―Γ© ðåñéóóüôåñïé ãéá Γ­Γ΅ Γ�áôáãñΓ�ΓΈΓ―ΓµΓ­ âéíôåï Γ³Γ¥ laptop ÷ñçóéìïðïéïýí Γ�áðïéïõ Γ¥Γ�äïõò ìåôáôñïðΓ�Γ΅ AV to USB, åðΓ�óçò óôá áåñïðëáíΓ�Γ�éá äåí ìðïñïýìå Γ­Γ΅ ÷ñçóéìïðïéΓ�óïõìå HD camera Γ·ΓΉΓ±Γ�Γ² AV out ùóôå Γ­Γ΅ Γ¥Γ�ìåôáëëåõôïýìå ìéá HD port ôùí Γ�áéíïýñéùí Γ�áìåñþí ïýôå Γ­Γ΅ åëΓ�íîïõìå zoom, bracketing, ëçøç Γ�.Γ΅.  ãéáôΓ� Γ―Γ© "ìïíôåëéóôéΓ�Γ―Γ�" Fpv ô÷ äå÷åôå ìüíï rca...
TΓ§ ëýóç ìáò äåΓ�Γ­Γ―ΓµΓ­ Γ°Γ�ëé ôá Γ¤Γ�Γ�ôõá wifi ìå äýï Γ«Γ�ãï ðéï Γ΅Γ�ñéâΓ�Γ² åðéëïãΓ�Γ². Γ� http://www.digi.com/products/wireless-wired-embedded-solutions/zigbee-rf-modules/point-multipoint-rfmodules/xtend-module#overview  Γ�Γ�Γ‰ Γ‚.  http://www.microhardcorp.com/products.php

Ôá ðáñáð�íù modules ìðïñïýí íá ìåôáö�ñïõí ôçëå�áôåõèçíóç, ôçëåìåôñ�á, video, data �áé lanc protocol ãéá �ëåã÷ï øçö ��ìåñáò, øçöéá�� ìå 40 ì�ëéá åìâåëéá �áé ìüíï 1w ìå áðë�ò gain antenna, ôï �üóôïò äåí îåðåñí� ôá 300-400å ãéá ��ôé ðñáãìáôé�� åðáããåëìáôé�ü!! Ôï ìüíï ìå�ïí å�íáé ç ýðáñîç ë�ðôïð. �ëë� �áëýôåñá íá �ïõâáëþ ôï ë�ðôïð ðáñ� íá �ïõâáëþ ôñá�åñò, èçñéþäçò �åñá�åò, ìðáôáñ�åò ìïëýâäïõ ãéá íá ôá ôñïöïäïô�óù, �áñ��ëåò �ëð �ëð.
åáí äåí óáò öô�íåé áõôü õðáñ÷ïõí �áé ôá drone cells ðïõ ìå ìéá óýíäåóç �éíçôïý öô�íåôå üðïõ õð�ñ÷ç ��ëõøç!!

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